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LoRa APRS: come estrarre il massimo dal protocollo LoRa… una proposta — 4 commenti

  1. Buongiorno!

    Thank you for publishing this. I’m excited to see other who see the practical value of using LoRa for APRS/ham radio. I have a 4.56 kbps LoRa 433 MHz network here in Phoenix Arizona USA, with 4 main digipeaters and 2 igates. When I describe my work, others think that 300 bps or 1200 bps gives more margin, and thus seems to be the highest and best use. I disagree!
    I will spend more time studying your proposal and perhaps we can work together!
    Ciao and 73 – Jon N7UV

    • Hi, you are welcome… would you like to try to have an hands-on of our HW/SW just let me know and we can arrange suitably… Michele

  2. Having read a bit more, it’s definitely a fascinating concept to use the same channel for different SFs, as you point out they are more or less orthogonal to one another. The observation that 300 bps is terrible for digipeating, especially using the APRS protocol as-is, is exactly what I’ve experienced. The packets can be a few seconds long, and that essentially kills the overall channel capacity.
    A typical APRS tracker using SmartBeaconing could be sending a position packet every 60 seconds or so. If we assume an ALOHA non-slotted channel, and 300 bps OTA, that packet consumes about 2 seconds of channel time. With ALOHA, statistically it’s about 18% overall channel time is available without collision, so at a 60 second cycle period that means 10-12 seconds. Maybe perhaps 3 or 4 other stations could fit in that limited interval. That may be useful in a rural area, but not in an urban or metropolitan setting.
    A challenge with using one radio for multiple SFs is that the radio is unavailable for others during the time it’s operating on another SF. This could end up impacting the overall radio availability just as much as if it’s always operating on the lowest bit rate. Remember IEEE 802.11b/g/n 20+ years ago – in order to support all the legacy radios that were out there, the radio ended up operating at the lowest OTA data rate, penalizing all the faster radios out there by being unavailable.

    Here in Phoenix I’m reliably getting 4-10 km with LilyGO (+17 dBm) transceivers, and with readily available 11 dB bidirectional amplifiers providing me with +28 dBm, nearly double that range.

    My network is sparse, with only me on the 433.775 MHz channel. N7UV-46 is 49 km west of me, N7UV-44 is 25 km south of me, and N7UV-42 is only 3 km north of me but over a range of hills. I am running a similar 924.65 MHz 300 bps LoRa setup but with only an igate at my house and a temporary digipeater 80 m above me on the hillside.

    What bands does your network operate on?

    Ciao and 73 – Jon N7UV

    • Hi, first of all sorry for the enormous delay I see your message… you are completely right in you considerations and you just pointed out why a dual radio setup would be the minimum in order to experiment something new, taking into account the need for a smooth transition from the presently de facto standard to a new set of parameters… at present we only experiment in 433 MHz and plan to do some experiment in 2.4 Ghz soon… we use at present for testing two lora modes, both on the same channel with the same 125KHz BW and just with a different SF i.e. 12 for the legacy mode and SF=7 for a possible new operating mode… at present the main problem we have is that in order to do a significant experiments it is not only necessary to deploy dual radio iGates/repeater but also to let users use a tracker that is able to work in split mode i.e. able to use on demand the two available modes… unfortunatelly most users use SW that does not support this operating mode … Thanks anyway for your interest … best regards Michele I8FUC

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